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Dream Interpretation / Re: Heiros gamos dream
« on: November 24, 2020, 12:15:15 PM »
Mikey - Despite the fact that rebirth shows a readical change in the way you see and maybe even respond to life, yet we are still very human.

I think the end of the Ox Herding symbols says it well.
No. 10 Return to Society (crowded marketplace; spreading enlightenment by mingling with humankind)

Now the real end of the  journey is upon you where the realisation is lived that you are at the same time everything and everywhere, but also alone and in space and time in your body. You are just an ordinary person who has been on an amazing journey, and all that shows is your experience and wisdom.

This often sounds paredixical and it is.

Since there is nothing to meditate on, there is no meditation.

Since there is nowhere to go astray, there is no going astray.

Although there is an innumerable variety of profound practices, they do not exist for your mind in its true state.

Of course the above statements are made from a mind free from the restraints most of us live under, for as another Yogi said:

“The disciple is a being whose essential nature is Know­ledge, isn’t he?”


“Then there is no need to give him knowledge but simply to remove the veil of ignorance that hides the existent Knowledge. This, of course, is not to be done at one stroke, since the disciple is immersed in age-old ignorance and needs repeated instruction, perhaps through life after life. And what is this instruction through speech about what is beyond speech? Isn’t it like removing the cover? Ignorance conceals the pre-existent Knowledge just as water plants cover the surface of a pond. Clear away the plants and you have the water. You don’t have to create it; it is already there. Or take another example—a cataract grows on the eye and prevents a man from seeing; remove the cataract and he sees. Ignorance is the cataract. The universe is the efflorescence of the indescribable Maya, which is ignorance; yet ignorance is needed to illuminate and dissolve ignorance … Jnana is not something to be attained, it is eternal and self-existent. On the other hand, ignorance has a cause and an end. The root of it is the idea that the devotee is a separate being from God. Remove this, and what remains is Jnana. ( Jnana refers to pure awareness that is free of conceptual encumbrances. Shirdi Sai Baba.

Dream Interpretation / Re: Heiros gamos dream
« on: November 08, 2020, 11:07:41 AM »
Some thoughts - the yucky tunnel is most likely your dream's interpretation of being born. For we have to be born twice - Jesus: “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” —John 3.


Dream Interpretation / Re: Heiros gamos dream
« on: November 08, 2020, 11:01:49 AM »


Dream Interpretation / Re: Confused
« on: October 23, 2020, 10:06:54 AM »
Sara - Best I can offer is for you to follow by yourself or with a partner what is said in https://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/peer-dream-work/

But also try - "Tony taught me a process in which a dream could be interpreted and understood by assuming that everything, people and objects alike, in a dream represented aspects of the Self. Sitting cross-legged on the squishy, old-fashioned sofa in the living room of my sadhu’s cave opposite Tony, I’d close my eyes and mentally return to a dream I had the previous night. He would ask me questions about the dream, which I’d answer in the first person. So if I dreamt about a tree, I would ‘become’ the tree, assume its personality and respond from its viewpoint. He’d ask ‘So what kind of tree are you? Are you big or small, old or young? What do you look like? Where are you growing? Why are you in Tiziana’s dream?’  This sounded like a silly exercise at first, but I was soon enough convinced of its validity. It was fascinating to discover a wealth of insight and emotion emerging from my responses, and understand how they related to my current situation. They also pinpointed exactly where I was in my growth process. Sometimes, the dreams would uncover unconscious fears and intuitions. Often, they also held important clues and offered solutions to my problems. It was like doing detective’s work – arduous at times, but rewarding beyond belief."

You could be the questioner. Or here is another way:
Example: I was standing in the back garden of a house – one of a row of terraced houses. Each garden was fenced and ran down to a large drainage ditch. It seemed to be raining and water was filling the drainage ditch. The water was backing up into the gardens because something was blocking the ditch. It started rising up my legs. It was quite hot. I realised this was because hot water was running out of the baths and sinks in the houses. I felt I must get out of the gardens. Not only because of the water, but because of how people might feel if they saw me in their garden. I managed to find a way into a farm yard where I felt relaxed.’ Ted F.

The first scene here is Garden. On a piece of paper separate to the dream, write Garden, with space for notes to be put beside it. The entry on Garden in the Dictionary says – ‘Your garden dream often reveals what you are doing with your latent possibilities. It is pointing out whether you have cultivated your abilities, or buried them. A garden is sometimes a place of love in a dream. In which case it can denote what is growing or dying in your relationship. Another garden theme is connected with activities we do in the garden, like pets we keep, or work done.’

The words Houses – Raining – Hot water – Fences – Farmyard need to be looked up and relevant comments written down next to each word. It is important to realise that the dream and its images are a story, not in words but in images with which we have personal associations with. So wrtite down by each word the basic meaning that appeals to you – i.e. makes sense to you.

Houses – Other people. Raining – emotions, release of feelings. Hot Water – Strong emotions or facing difficult situations, such as social criticism. fence or wall also suggests social barriers, the attitudes and feelings people express to keep others at a distance, to keep a separation between those of different social, religious or economic class.

Framyard – This usually has to do with your relationship with your natural urges, the basic drives, such as sex, survival, social hierarchy, parenthood, the down to earth side of yourself.

If we put them together into a story form, we have: I was in an environment with other people and was in hot water facing a difficult situation such as social criticism. I was also in other people’s space and felt that their fences, their attitudes and social difference were there to keep me out. But in returning to my natural feelings I felt at ease again

Making a story of it is an important step, and through you will probably even see what the message of your dream is. But in doing this with his dream, Ted took it further by adding his own associations and ended up with the following. But it is important for you to see what your feelings are and whether any of what is said applies to you. It doesn’t matter if the entry on garden doesn’t contain what is said in your dream. Instead you can say, ‘None of those things apply, but the entry has made me remember my dream garden is a place of pain where a terrible incident happened to me.’ See Working with associations

Ted arrive at and wrote:

Garden – The growth and changes occurring in my life at present.

Row of Houses – Other people.

Raining – Depressed feelings or difficulties; emotions which take away enthusiasm and act as a barrier to action; tears and emotional release – an outpouring; other peoples emotions ‘raining’ on me.

Hot Water – Emotions. In the Idioms is ‘hot water’ suggesting I have got myself in trouble.

Fences – Social boundaries.

Farmyard – Where my natural drives such as sexuality, parenthood, love or fellowship, are cared for or expressed.

When Ted added his own associations to this the dream became fully understandable to him and read like this:

I am going through a lot of changes at the moment – the garden. These are to do with allowing myself to have a warm but non sexual relationship with women. I have always been too dragged along by my sexuality in the past. Just a few days before the dream I was in a ‘growth’ group. I had made friends with a woman there, Susan, who I was warm feelings with, but not sexually. The group work required some close physical contact, and I and another man worked with Susan.

It seemed to me to go without complications. But a while afterwards a woman in the group came to me and with evident emotion, said I had made love publicly to my lover, meaning Susan. I had certainly been physically close to her and had felt at ease, but the viewpoint and feelings of the woman’s accusations, coupled with her threat to expose me to the authority figure in the group, bowled me over.

This is the hot water in the dream. The fences are the boundaries people erect between their personal life and what is socially acceptable. For some days, up until understanding the dream, I felt really blocked up emotionally – the blocked drainage ditch. I cut off any friendship toward Susan. When I realised that in the Farmyard – the acceptance of natural feelings without neat little boundaries – I could feel at peace, I was able to allow my natural warmth again. I also realised the the woman who attempted to damage my reputation had probably never had love that was not directly sexual.

After writing the comments next to each dream image or setting, add any personal memories, feelings or associations, as Ted has. Put down anything which amplifies what has been dreamt. For instance, a car is said to be one’s drive and motivation in the entry on car. But it is helpful to add what personal feelings one has about one’s car. Try imagining what the absence in one’s life of the car, or house, or symbol etc., would mean.

Dream Interpretation / Re: I Killed My Baby
« on: October 23, 2020, 10:00:15 AM »
Your love and care for your child can trigger your mothering instincts with a vengeance. Being female and a mother holds with it an enormously increased anxiety about children. You see all manner of things that might be a threat, and I believe that is what such dreams show. Your imagination for such dangers is enormously increased. This is natural in all mammals, and acts as a warning making you aware. It helps to check whether your child or children are okay, and if they are, say to the part of you that is worried, “It’s okay, I checked, but thanks for keeping me on my toes, you can relax now.” 

R.D. Laing, who from his life history was himself a victim of ‘parents’ wrote, “From the moment of birth, ‘the baby is subjected to these forces of violence, called love, as its mother and father have been, and their parents and their parents before them. These forces are mainly concerned with destroying most of its potentialities. This enterprise is on the whole successful.’

Laing theorised that insanity could be understood as a reaction to the divided self. Instead of arising as a purely medical disease, schizophrenia was thus the result of wrestling with two identities: the identity defined for us by our families and our authentic identity, as we experience ourselves to be. When the two are fundamentally different, it triggers an internal fracturing of the self.”

So the baby that died may be yourself at that age. Try imagining holding the 'dead' baby (nothing in dreams can die and stay dead) so hold it with love and with an open heart and see what you feel.

Dream Interpretation / Confused
« on: October 23, 2020, 09:52:09 AM »

Hey Tony, sorry to bother you. I was wondering if I could ask you a question or two about how to decode symbolism of atypical images. In this particular case I am looking to better understand the meaning behind an impossible animal hybrid. A chimera made from a peacock (the upper portion) and a specific spider - a grand-daddy long legs (the lower portion)...


Dream Interpretation / I Killed My Baby
« on: October 18, 2020, 10:07:59 AM »
I had a dream last night, it was the most horrific thing! I killed my baby in my dream! I am so terrified of the
Dream, I love my baby sooo much, and there is nothing I won’t do for him.
The day he was born was the beginning of my life, and I can’t understand why I
Would dream such a thing!!!! Please help me understand?!?!


General Discussion / Re: Workshop - Peer Dreaming
« on: October 18, 2020, 09:38:25 AM »
Dear Meimoo - I became distracted by many things and so missed your post.

But at the moment I am living in Wales, far from Sydney, and am not in a position to run workshops. But learning Peer Dream Work is a wonderful skill and I have taught others the skill over the phone.

Maybe you read the response to using Peer Dreaming (I wanted to write and let you know how well the peer dream group went tonight, especially as the feelings we experienced were and are so positive and so powerful. The kind that keeps you up for hours.

There were three women total tonight. Although I had expected a larger group and was disappointed when two people didn’t show, I knew that we could process a dream with the three of us. Writing this is like writing a dream right now – it’s hard to capture the fluidity of the evening, the flow of the feelings, the surfacing of the feelings and the recognition of the life circumstance(s) of the dreamer because she was allowed “to rest” in those feelings.) Well, it was done over the phone with a dreamer in the USA.

So if you let me know your email address we can work together - my email is tonycrisp@yahoo.com.


Dream Interpretation / Re: Terrified of spiders
« on: October 07, 2020, 08:31:31 AM »
Mary - Dreams are sometimes the place tensions and emotions are released that we do not allow  expression during the day. This is healthy, but obviously not for your husband! The quickest way to deal with your spider is to imagine yourself daily getting closer to it until you can touch it. It is important not to repress any feelings or emotions that this produces. In this way you transform the emotions that create the dreams.


See Getting at Your Dreams Meaning - https://dreamhawk.com/dream-dictionary/dreams-practical-techniques-for-understanding-them/#Getting

Dream Interpretation / Terrified of spiders
« on: October 07, 2020, 08:29:46 AM »
Dear Tony,

I am twenty, married, and terrified of spiders. I dream I am in bed and a spider falls on me and crawls under the sheets. I see it clearly and leap out of bed screaming. My husband tries to calm me, but sometimes I punch him. I nearly broke his nose one night. I am only seven stone, but in my sleep I am a fighter. Can you help me? - Mary G. Essex

Dream Interpretation / Re: Mass extinction
« on: October 07, 2020, 08:28:47 AM »
Thanks Both - I have been trying to do several things at once, so missed seeing your post Mikey, and your excellent reply Anna.

Knowing you keep an eye on Mikey's post I was not surprised to see you again. :-)


Dream Interpretation / Re: Water Floor
« on: October 07, 2020, 08:25:01 AM »
Thanks Eliz - I have been locked into work and things, so didn't even see these post. So again, thanks.


Healing Dreams / Re: Dream incubation
« on: October 07, 2020, 08:14:58 AM »
Dear Omega - I have been crazily busy ao an sorry I missed seeing your post.

i too have had some difficulty with things that used to work. however, I suggest trying  https://dreamhawk.com/inner-life/the-running-meditation/

Best wishes,


Questions about dreams / Re: I am that little soul yearning
« on: June 16, 2020, 12:00:58 PM »
29th January 2008

Dear Tony,

Who was it who said (something like):  "We are not human beings trying to have a spiritual experience, but spiritual beings trying to have a human experience"? I see more clearly that it's a life-long journey (or longer) to be human, or spiritual, or both.

Thank you again for your words. I have not heard of the diamond body before. You lead me in new directions that awaken possibility and potential in myself.

I spent time on your website looking at your vision of the world through the camera. The photographs of the child were most delightful and expressive of our human range of emotions. Your flower photographs brought me back to my first experience with the camera - using close-up lenses to photograph them. I would most times be crawling on the ground and experiencing the elements of the earth. I have several "favorites" from your galleries - the Unfolding Fern from New Zealand, the Orchid Heart, Forget-Me-Nots and more. The London Crow captivated me as well - perhaps because of its blackness against the white flowers and grey branches. I was pleased to read that you started your own photography business at 15 years old; you must have a strong spirit that has guided you, and continues to guide you, in your prolific life! I am honored to be in contact with you.

As I don't yet have the link for the art league which is hosting my images (and that of other artists in the league), I am attaching two images I created last year. The ideas were from two different dreams, and I manipulated them in Photoshop. This is to give you an idea of the direction I took and would like to continue to take, with dreams.

Thanks again for your time and words!

Emily - To see the whole series click on https://dreamhawk.com/interesting-people/emily/ - here is part of it:

Wow! Language! It is so designed to help us create a three dimensional world in which there is up and down, right and wrong, success and failure - and to get anywhere you have to drag this body around. What height is there to climb? What goal is there to reach to be yourself? You are already an emanation of the great reality. You are already IT.

A person experiencing enlightenment for the first time said -

I am a wave on a shoreless sea.
From no beginning
I travel to no goal,
Making my movements stillness.
Constantly I am arriving
And departing,
Being born and dying.
I am always with you
And yet have never been.

Obviously that was said from standpoint of someone not lock up in the feeling or ideas of paradoxes.

You wrote earlier, "How do you humbly walk with God."

The word God has got so many false association with it.

That is not simply my message. In early Christianity it was taught that you are already saved and washed clean.

Dear Emily, we have been fed so much information that actually puts us off from walking with God. We have been told or taught that we must utter prayers to God, we must sing hymns and other praises  - all things we have to DO. But that is completely the opposite to what we have been told God said - "Be still and know that I am God."

To put it in other words, "Do nothing and let things happen." We do not have to do anything to breathe, to digest our food or beat our heart, God/Life does that spontaneously. We are so full of doing things that we think we are masters of our self. Stand aside and know you are Life/God. See Healing Experience - https://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/the-healing-experience/ Opening to Life - https://dreamhawk.com/approaches-to-being/opening-to-life/

Suzanne Segal in her book (Collision with the Infinite) says, "There is no one I could instruct to do something to make you the vastness. That’s already and always who you are.

There is no end to all of this, just as there was no beginning. There are constant “bus hits,” as I now call them, in which the infinite expands yet again and again. The substance of the vastness is so directly perceivable to itself in every moment that the circuitry at times requires another adjustment phase to get used to more infinite awareness. When asked who I am, the only answer possible is: I am the infinite, the vastness that is the substance of all things. I am no one and everyone, nothing and everything—just as you are."

With you Now - Tony

Questions about dreams / Re: I am that little soul yearning
« on: June 16, 2020, 10:32:03 AM »
On Jan 13, 2008, at 4:18 AM, Tony Crisp wrote:

The snakes dream sounds interesting Emily.

Okay - the dates you gave are fine - 22-24. So what we need to do now is to pinpoint a time and one of the days. Any of those days are free for me, and as I do not have any routine to adhere to at the moment I suggest you choose a time and day. However I don't know what time zone you are in yet, but here are my details.

Time zone is GMT/UK. My telephone number is *********** - or from abroad *********. If you have Skype you can find me as *********.

As I can get very inexpensive calls I could call you at a time we decided on, or use Skype for free.

Present day communication options are amazing. Having used this with people as far away as Japan I find it has knocked down previous barriers I had regarding working in this way.

So, looking forward to meeting you and your dreams.

As ever - Tony

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