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Questions about dreams / Your Personal Unconscious
« Last post by Tony Crisp on November 12, 2019, 09:43:14 AM »
This is like living in a huge building in which a small part exists above the ground but a massive amount is below the surface.

The above ground most of us are well aware of where there is a sense of separate existence, with definite boundaries where one meets a lower level.

This meeting with a larger YOU is often for many people a great shock, because they have lived their life totally wrapped in the small world of their physical senses. The human personality – the You that you call yourself, with a name, is only a tiny thing. It is moved and tossed around by all manner of drives, ambitions, emotions, fears, temptations, worries, love and desire with its pains and hopes; it is something we take so seriously and get carried away into awful situations.

When we begin to meet the Hugeness that we are, we often react to it in our dreams or in waking with fear or panic. So we dream of being attacked by aliens or frightening creatures; or being swallowed by a whale or something huge, hit by a tsunami, or even possessed by evil entities. If we realise that they are things we have created through our own fear we will pass on. See https://dreamhawk.com/wp-content/uploads/MentalLevels.jpg

First Underground Level
If you have never met this level before and dealt with the fears or panics held here, we will judge the world with its many other levels as a hell-hole and avoid any other exploration of it. That is because this is where we store all the hurts, truamas, fears and thought or desire we dare not allow ourselves to experience.
Example: I had also uncovered a somewhat less powerful move on the part of one of his female cousins. During his most teenage years, and while still an unwilling virgin myself, she had stood before him in a dressing gown, and under the pretext of demonstrating a rather rhythmic swimming motion, had let her gown fall open revealing her naked body.

He had naturally always remembered this event very clearly. But He had not realised her powerful influence until that moment. He had not realised how much he wanted to enter her and also how much he had repressed that desire for seventeen years. Even the youngest child is now bound to feel it is not the thing to lust for relatives in that way.

That is simply one aspect of what is repressed. We often have painful traumatic events from early childhood that we have no awareness of – except the cloud over our good feelings leading to a host of difficult emotional responses.

Another example:
I was myself, and dreamt I had spent a long time following clues in my search into the unconscious. One particular line of clues had led me to go through a door in the house in which I lived.

The door led to an area somewhat like a cellar or basement. It was certainly down some steps, but I felt more as if it were an almost secret place within the house rather than underneath it. It was dark, with no windows though, and was similar to being down deep. I was the detective following clues. To follow the clues I tried an experiment. I sat in this interior place facing a tunnel. It was maybe about five or six feet high. Where I sat was dimly lit, but the tunnel led into complete blackness and the unknown. I believe I repeated some keywords and looked into the tunnel.

I had neither warning nor expectation for what happened next. I was overwhelmed by terror, as if the very darkness of the tunnel was a living force of fear that entered me and consumed me. I screamed and screamed uncontrollably in reaction. Nevertheless, a part of me was observing what had happened, and was amazed and realised I had found something of great importance. Somehow I managed to turn my screaming self away from the tunnel. But on my right – it had appeared to be behind me – was another tunnel that brought about the same terror.

I managed to get to the door, open it and get back into the everyday part of the house. I also feel as if I have had many, many dreams involved in the house, that I have never brought to consciousness before.
The dream describes the terror that we run from and so hide in unconsciousness. Later in exploring his reactions the dreamer realised it was a huge trauma he had experienced during a surgical operation when was nine years old.

The first level beyond waking awarenes is this hell hole of terros, fears, traumas that you have never dealt with. If you can dare allowing this level to be felt you pass on to a wider and more intersting, full of wonder and creativity world of experience. See https://dreamhawk.com/inner-life/explorations-in-wonder/
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Dream Interpretation / Re: Homeless children
« Last post by Tony Crisp on October 23, 2019, 12:09:42 PM »
Yoma – My impression is that you enter the dream with feelings and condition of being 8 years old. In waking we tend to exist in the age and place of our body, but in dreams we enter a completely different dimension of experience. In it we can be aware and experience the whole sequence of our life, from before conception through that period to birth and beyond to today. See https://dreamhawk.com/pregnancy-childbirth/my-needs-as-a-premature-baby/

To return to being an 8 year old it suggests that there was some trauma experience at that time and your dream was setting about helping you deal with it.

The move to ‘very advanced town’ is something dreams often do - a complete change of experienced environment. It showed you that the change did not change your feelings for you were in ‘a continuous chain of melancholy’. It lasted through till you were sixteen. Such a long period of melancholy left a powerful influence on you that you have sought to deal with. Your efforts led to you opening the glass door even though you were frightened. It is always facing fear and not running away from it that is the transforming force in people’s lives. It brought forth the little boy - a real wonder.

I believe you gave birth to the boy, not unusual in dreams, and as in dreams we create out of our own enormous potential, it is obviously your own creation. In the process of birth we are a whole being, but we are split to become either female or male, but in doing so we retain in a latent form the other sex. So you as a male hold within you the ability to give birth to a child – at least, in the dream world. Such a child is a new part of you that like any new ability or function is young and needs to be cared for as it grows and matures. I sometimes call these children –Spirit Children.

Many people might think a spirit child or spirit character is a complete farce and without any reality in the world.  However, that is far from being true.  For instance, take characters such as Superman or Spiderman.  These are creations in the mind of one or more people.  Your son was born in your dream, created out of the flow of life in you.

Coming back to Superman and Spiderman, those characters have an enormous life in the material world.  Millions of people are involved in their existence on screen or in books.  So you son will have very real influence in your world.

The dogs are almost certainly anxiety that you felt. You felt anxious because you were still locked in waking type comprehension. There is nothing that can hurt you in dreams for it is a virtual reality created by our mind and emotions. Of course you can frighten yourself into paralysis through fear and anxiety which you did in your dream, forgetting that you are the master of your inner world – which means you can either direct your dream to scare you sill – or be in charge of your fears.

Example: This was okay and I was thinking there was no problem when the creature leapt at my throat in a flash of movement and ripped my throat out. This sounds disturbing but I simply observed this and thought to myself that stroking and trying to be friendly was no way of dealing with this thing. It was as if I was in command of the imagery in that I simply formed another body. But then it dived into me to devour me from within. In fact apart from the gory imagery, there was nothing to be frightened of, as the creature was only attacking my dream image of myself. As I wasn’t identified with this, it couldn’t hurt me. That was the end of the dream.

Climbing a high fence suggest you were trying hard not to deal with the dogs so managed to lift your awareness higher, out of harms way. This new viewpoint allowed you to be able to leave the paralysis of your friend/self and find a different approach. The ‘0’ approach is a way to leave behind you all your mistakes and thoughts and try to start again. This takes a lot of awareness and effort, so be aware that this huge change is underway, but needs your support.

The friend; each person, object or even place in a dream should not be thought of as a symbol, such as a road sign that needs interpretation. A person or object is a living part of you, just as your hand is not a symbol it is a living part of you. As such a person is alive and responsive, with enormous depths. And a good friend is a wonderful aid in your life, an aid that can see you through the difficult times, and show you a new side of yourself.

To understand the friend you need to be that friend. I mean imagine yourself in their body and see how it feels, and describe yourself as them, even ask them questions. In doing so do not forget that this is a part of yourself you are making more real. Don’t get the silly idea this is someone else, even though they have the face and body of someone else. In this way you will discover an enormous amount about your own strength and ‘goodness’. But if you cannot do that, then at least imagine talking to them ask them questions and listening for their replies. Or if you cannot even do that, then remember that you have a good friend and treasure it. But remember this aspect of yourself was known to be paralysed by anxiety.
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Questions about dreams / Yoga and Dreams
« Last post by Tony Crisp on October 21, 2019, 08:11:29 AM »
One of the impressive observations to be found in the literature on yoga practices, yet seldom if at all in Western physiology or psychology, is the connection between the breath and the mind. Such yoga teachings state that there is always a connection between the breath and mental states. It can be observed for instance that when angry a person’s breath is agitated and quite different to when the person is mentally focused on something like a mathematical problem. There is yet another difference in the breathing and the mental state when the person is asleep.

Using the control of the breath, the posture of the body, and other disciplines, practitioners of the various types of yoga in India and other countries in the Far East, explored the dimensions of the mind. From such explorations traditional yoga defined four basic modes of consciousness. These are: 1] Waking consciousness. 2] Consciousness while asleep and dreaming. 3] Consciousness while asleep but not dreaming. 4] Cataleptic consciousness.

Different levels of consciousness
One could add to this the condition of being asleep and dreaming, yet awake in the dream. Apart from waking consciousness, one is usually asleep/unconscious while experiencing these levels or modes of consciousness. But through the discipline of meditation or breath control, the practitioner can gradually enter into these ‘sleep’ modes while still maintaining a form of waking awareness. In modern dream terminology this is called lucidity. See https://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/the-waking-lucid-dream/ and https://dreamhawk.com/body-and-mind/the-end-user/#Bodiless

This has in it something of the situation one faces when entering into a different environment than is considered normal for human life. For instance swimming under water confronts us with quite a different experience of ourselves and the environment than in our normal everyday life of walking around on the surface of the earth. In fact dreams often use the image of the sea, or swimming under water to portray this entrance into our sub-conscious or sub-ordinary life. The reason this ability to remain lucid in sleep is sought, often through long years of discipline, is because of the greatly enlarged realm of mental and physical possibilities open to the successful practitioner. Principally however, it is to find a level of consciousness beyond the limitations presented by ‘normal’ dualistic experiences of thoughts, emotions, pain, pleasure and ignorance.

Entering consciously into the realm of sleep and dreams confronts us with a very different environment or experience than we are used to in waking. Our conscious personality had developed around the experience of life through the physical senses and thoughts. It experiences itself as part of a body – perhaps even as the body. Because of this the loss of body sensation is frequently equated with death. The personality is also used to perceiving all things other than its own body, thoughts and emotions as belonging to an exterior and separate world and beings. It is thus very dualistic in its interpretation of what is experienced, and this dualism is difficult to drop as consciousness enters what is virtually an alien world of experience. In waking, any person or animal we perceive, we can be fairly certain they are an exterior reality. When diving beyond the level of waking consciousness, these rules do not apply. Any being one meets may very well be an objectification of, or unacknowledged aspects of, oneself. See https://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/dimensions-of-human-experience/

There are other differences. In sleep the brain and senses function quite differently to what they do while awake. While dreaming the body is paralysed due to the brain inhibiting nerve impulses to the voluntary muscles. Any waking awareness or lucidity that remains, feels itself much more totally influenced by spontaneous forces, as demonstrated by the dream process itself, where enormous anxieties, sexual feelings, and spontaneous physical movements are experienced and represented by different images or scenes. There is nothing really dangerous about this, but unless one recognises it very clearly as an awareness of the powerful forces of the psyche and body seen without their shielding cover of dull waking consciousness, it can be extremely disturbing. The following example illustrates how someone enters such an experience, and the first levels of what may be found.

The aim of yoga in relationship to dreams is to move through their apparent reality by remaining lucid in sleep as described above. Perhaps another way of describing it is to see if the dream can be resolved into its constituent components. The reason being that the practitioner of traditional yoga was, or is, in search of the real – something that does not break down under analysis or awareness. One of the examples of this is told in yoga when the teacher asks the student to say what a house is. Gradually the student is led to see that it is a sum of parts, the bricks, the mortar, the wood, the nails, the windows, and so on. In breaking it down to its parts it disappears as a house. Similarly when human personality is looked at in the same way, it is not a stable reality, but a sum of parts. So the yogi is looking to see what lies behind the parts, until there is something indivisible. In fact yoga philosophy claims a self existent reality is discovered as the noise of our thoughts and emotions are quietened. An example of this is described below, and excellently shows the sequence of such discovery.

Example: I had been exploring my dreams as fully as I could, and also trying to get under the surface of my mind, so to speak. Then one night I had the following dream. In it I was looking at a plant, rather like a fern. As I watched it unfolded rapidly, its leaves growing before me. At that point I suddenly became aware that there was an unfolding process in my body as long held tensions dropped away, and the dream image of the plant was an expression of this.

Then I was fully awake in my dream and realised that my dream, perhaps any dream, was an expression in images of actual events occurring unconsciously in myself. I felt enormous excitement, as if I were witnessing something of great importance. Quoted from Lucid Dreaming

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Dream Interpretation / Homeless children
« Last post by Yoma on October 20, 2019, 09:37:45 AM »
Hello Tony! Its been a long time since i last wrote to you about any of my dreams. You helped me alot throughout the years and i thank you for that! I came back today to share with you my last experience hoping i could come up with an answer to my day to day struggle.
Last night dream started with me and a person i saw as "best friend" in the village i spent most of my childhood. We were both around 8 years old and homeless. We went to the end of the main road to take the bus to the city we spent our early years,hoping we could find an answer to our problems by going back to the roots. We couldnt afford the ticket but instead the busdriver took us to a whole new,very advanced town we didnt even know it existed. There we perceived ourselves as being around 16 years old. We stared to wander around the town and find oursevles in a continuous chain of melancholy, like we've been there before and so many things were new and we contemplated on what changed the place so much. It felt like we were experiencing a past life at the same time. There we met 2 girls that chose to become homeless and wander the earth with us, in searchig for their thruth and love.
There was a very interesting scenario that developed before my eyes at some point. I was inside a dark room, facing a glass wall, the only source of light was behind that wall. I felt fear of the unknown, i felt like if i would open the door, i'd loose my "homeless" status and the people i traveled with. But i opened that glass door anyway and there stood a 4 years old child who aknowledged me as his father. I took him in my arms and squished him hard to my chest and my heart got filled with joy and warmth. After that i took him to my other 3 friends and they felt like he was part of the family already, but my best friend felt the need to disappear for some reason. So i left him go,knowing we'll meet again sometime soon. So there was me,the lil boy and the 2 girls walkin around the old village,where the "adventure" started. Thats when i felt the pressence of my best friend. I left the girls behind with the child and i went searching for him, trying to convince him to stay with us. I found him near a fence, surrounded by grass, depressed and not wanting to move a finger for himself. I kept screaming at him to snap out of it, because we'll find the "truth" together, as we always have been. But he wouldnt budge. A few moments later i felt a pack of stray dogs approaching, i felt the danger of the situation and i tried to take my bestfriend to a safe place but he wanted to die shredded by the pack. I was so furious i couldnt contain my anger. I tried to fight the dogs myself, defending him but they were too many. Giving up on the idea of saving him, i climbed a high fence to protect myself but when he saw me do that, he followed immediately. So we were both on the fence, crying of joy that we got back together. And we started thinking of a plan on how to win in this situation. Im not sure what we discussed but the conclusion was "we should start from 0". So we woke up again, where the dream started, naked and full of hope and energy. And it was the only 2 of us there, as a whole. And we were homeless again but we felt like we could conquer the world together. And the thruth we've been seeking was actually our friendship. Once we realized that we started looking for clothing,shelter and new ways to explore and discover ourselves once again.
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Dreamhawk site feedback and suggestions / Re: on living forever (& thanks!)
« Last post by Tony Crisp on October 18, 2019, 11:21:39 AM »
Hi Monica – Thanks for what you wrote, and for the appreciation for ‘Living Forever’. It is good to hear from people who appreciate DreamHawk, because writing the posts does not let me meet many people. I used to when I led classes.

Blessings.

Tony
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Dream Interpretation / Your life journey is not over
« Last post by Tony Crisp on October 16, 2019, 09:47:37 AM »
I explored my own dream - see https://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/exploring-a-dream-2/

When I explored this dream I met with a few very strong feelings and impressions.

The Ashram I sensed as my life work, in other words the enormous energy and endeavour involved in helping other people to transform their lives, and of course my own efforts to transform my own life and being.  Within that image also are involved too the great struggles, conflicts, pains of love, teaching, and emergence from my own past.  It was also a stage upon which my relationship with Trish took place.

As Pete I are waking up to something taking place in my life here and now.  It is as if I have missed seeing or recognising this up until this moment.  I am also, as Pete, involved in each section of this dream in different ways.  In the first I am waking up, or becoming aware of the situation.  In the second I am seeking support and love.  I want to be taken into Tony, integrated, held.  As I explore this part of the dream I feel I am both Tony and Pete.  As Pete I am needy and come from a difficult background with feelings of abandonment, just as Tony has.  As Tony I feel slightly repulsed by that side of myself.  I had tried to push it away; not hard, but certainly the feeling of not wanting to be completely involved in it.  This reminds me that early on in my life I split into two distinct parts.  One was the hurt, abandoned child, with all its needs and pains.  The other was the outgoing active person started his own photographic studio, wrote books, gave talks to people and led groups.

Over the years these two have got closer together, but this dream suggests there is still a hesitation to fully accept and love that part of myself in my public life.

Some parts of this dream tie in very fully with an e-mail I wrote to Lisa.  In the e-mail I said that I was always a participant in the groups I led.  In the dream I am a participant.  In the E-mail I was also tempted to say that I was an ordinary human being and yet I did not show my vulnerability.

When I explored Jung in the dream I experience a profound sense of him being a doorway to so much in my life.  He demonstrated to me in his writings a wideness of vision, and inclusiveness, an ability to accept and understand the many dimensions of human life – everything from religion to science.  The only thing he had never seemed to really express was the enormous pain involved in human life.  But in the dream I felt he represented a tremendous wideness of sympathy and awareness I now experience in my life.  It was very moving to experience.  It was both humbling and beautiful to sense just how much I had grown in my lifetime.

With the fireplace that becomes an alcove, this probably links with thoughts I had yesterday about my recent new involvement with my old friend Dina Glouberman.  I was thinking that contact has lit a fire of creativity in me, and now sparks were rising from it in creative ideas and new ways of looking at things.  And the alcove is a new area of experience that has opened up, as it is doing in my life.  This new area includes, or is including, both my inner wide range of sympathies and understanding, and also my vulnerability. (My Stroke finished my work with Dina. https://dreamhawk.com/interesting-people/tonys-experience-of-stroke/).

There was one feeling that was pronounced at the time but is now difficult to recall the details of.  It was about the enormous journey made, the journey in gradually finding my way back to that tremendous vulnerability of a newborn baby, experiencing it, integrating it, and recognising it is the foundation of my present life.  Ashram, the group of people, Steve, all represent this journey into myself.  They depict to me by an almost indescribable amount I have learned from that journey and what it has done to me as a person.

Obviously, the journey is not over.  There is still much to learn, and the end of the dream shows me ready to be involved in what comes next.  I felt too as I saw these things, that the unplanned, the spontaneous, the synchronistic events of my life have been so kind to me in helping me learn, uncover, find support in this life.

One last thing.  Trish sleeping on the mattress seems to me to be a vivid image of feelings I have had recently about her.  It suggests that she is still letting what she learned in Ashram and in our marriage sleep.  In other words she is not using it, developing it, giving it to other people.  I feel that Life is going to call her into action fairly soon.  The talents she has, the wisdom she has, life needs at this time.

Tony

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Dream Interpretation / Your life journey is not over
« Last post by Tony Crisp on October 16, 2019, 09:32:26 AM »
In the dream I was, along with Trish and a number of other people, all in Ashram.  We were all sitting or moving around in the meditation room and in the larger part of the hall.  It had the atmosphere of a group who had been exploring their own limitations or difficulties.  This was rather like the therapy groups I used to run, except that I wasn’t leading this one, at all, but seemed to be a participant.

Suddenly, my friend Pete was there and started complaining that nobody was working with him.  My impression was that he had suddenly woken up to what was going on and so had missed some of what had happened.  I laughed and said that he needed to join in.

There was a another section of the dream, and I am not sure exactly where it appeared, but it was to one side of the hall – on the left I think.  Trish, Pete and I were in a small side area of the hall.  I was standing in the middle of this place, the size of which was probably about ten foot by eight foot; on each side of me were mattresses on the floor which we use to avoid sitting on a hard floor.  On my left Trish was lying on a mattress covered up and asleep.  On my right was another mattress that Pete had been sleeping on, but he was now standing next to me.  He came very close to me and held me.  I felt as if he really wanted my close love and attention.  I slightly resisted this, and at the same time was looking at Trish wondering if she was going to wake up.  She seemed to snuggle more deeply into the mattress and blankets.

Then another part of the dream occurred in which I was first aware of a fireplace, once more on the left side of the hall.  As this part of the dream developed the fireplace became more deeply inset.  Then the inset enlarged until it was about 8 feet across and fifteen feet deep, forming a deep alcove, dimly lit, in which a number of people sat.  Amongst them were Carl Jung, Pete, and some people I cannot remember.

The atmosphere was very cosy and easy going, and as I entered into the alcove I felt we could now start really working with each other in self awareness and exploration.  As this happened I noticed that on the left to the far wall was a fireplace.  There was a really lovely glowing fire in it, which seemed to be a mixture of real coals and electricity.

Dreamt on April 25th 2008 Tony
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Jakob – The RV represents your travelling way of life and the suggestion is that it is not in a good situation within you. It is obviously a life or peronal difficulty that you have tried to cover up or not be aware of.

But in doing so you release the child part of you and the link with the woman that is also a part of you. This is fundamentally about your felt relationship with a particular woman, or women in general. What is happening in the dream will depict the aspect of relationship being illustrated. Your dream shows your relationship with your own feelings and intuitive self; this sensitivity and contact with your unconscious through receptivity; or how he is relating to your female partner or mother.

The work you did on the RV roof then releases the realisation that you are running away from meeting or integrating your past experiences tied to your mother. So, the ancestors are a progression of your own awareness which you have obviously been trying to expand. In trying to grow as a person we meet our ancestors in a real way.

The intricate web of cultural and family influences, physically and psychologically, that your body and personality arose from, in a dream is shown as your ancestors. To understand this more fully see http://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/the-conjuring-trick/

The blood stain is most likely spilt blood that is recorded in your ancestral memories. So, the ancestors can link with deeply buried tendencies we have unconsciously inherited from the long past. Sometimes they point to the fate/karma we are dealing with in this life – and they are the difficulties or traits that arise in our life, that we cannot honestly see have been developed or collected in this lifetime.

Because you have entered another dimension of human experience through you expanded awareness, one in which time and space are quite different, you start to meet the huge self that you have within you - drifted out into the cosmos – and many people as their awareness reaches beyond what they feel is their normal self feel scared. Such resistances cause us to create awful dreams and fears as a means of avoiding our own inner world and its wonders. It didn’t terrify you, just freaked you a little. Gurdjieff once said that the idea we automatically have self-consciousness must be a cruel joke played upon us. In point of fact, most of the time we are not fully conscious; we are simply running on automatic like machines that make us live without awareness of our immense potential. See https://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/dimensions-of-human-experience/

To begin to know this, well first we must put aside everything we believe or have been taught. I am not saying discard it, but simply put it on one side so you are open to learn something new. What most people do not admit to themselves is that they – you – are a living example of the greatest mystery on this earth – a living human being. You are Life and life is a mystery that no one has fully understood. So take on the realisation that you are in the middle of a never ending mystery, a never ending wonder that you want to unfold. Leave the door open for the unknown to enter. Don’t make it complicated/weird.

Tony
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Hello Tony.

Thank you so much for this and for the site. I travel a lot and also have your dream dictionary in book form for when I’m in the Jungle or flying. 

Dream analysis has really made a difference for me in the past 6 month. I was wondering if you offer any training in dreams or is it a case of just doing it as much a possible and the depth of knowledge will come?

I was on the roof of an old RV, the rear of the roof was kind of collapsing, I added something to cover it. Then I was inside under where the repairs had taken places, looking down a hallway and a child came running to me, he ran into a corner sticking out of the  right side of the wall on the way to me and bounced across the hallway into the bathroom on the  left, he fell down in Childs pose and was laughing and smiling at me or the woman who was to my right when looking down the hallway  and I felt closeness and trust with her like I’ve not felt with a woman before. End

Entering the dream later, I had fixed the `RV roof to spic and span. It was parked by a body of water, a lake.

Realised I was running from my mother looking back at her and behind her were all my ancestors and some kind of big red blood stain over them.
The smile I had in the bathrooms was a fake put on smile.

After I drifted upwards into space and saw my ancestors like a funnel into the now roofless RV and then I just drifted out into the cosmos which freaked me out a bit.

Jakob


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Dreamhawk site feedback and suggestions / on living forever (& thanks!)
« Last post by Monica on October 12, 2019, 01:01:18 PM »
Hi dear Tony

It's been a long time but I'm here to thank you once again (I always thanks God for your wise insights that always come to my life in the more precise way and time). I've recently read your post
https://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/living-forever/
and I can't tell anything else than thank you for such a loving, profound lesson on humility and the wonders of life (with death as a core where all of it covers a real meaning).
It's been fabulous to read such balanced, clear and enlightening document, and as the mistery of life is alive (call it synchronicity or revelation, it's equal as you also masterfully said, "God and Big-Bang could be the same"), I read your post after having studied this Scriptures:

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For thou hast possessed my reins:
thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.
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I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made:
marvellous are thy works;
and that my soul knoweth right well.
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My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret,
and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
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Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect;
and in thy book all my members were written,
which in continuance were fashioned,
when as yet there was none of them.
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How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God!
how great is the sum of them!
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If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand:
when I awake, I am still with thee. (Psalm 139)

Thanks and Hugs in the Spirit!
 ;)
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