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Jimmy

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Gandalf and the Dragon King
« on: December 30, 2015, 03:25:58 PM »
Hello Tony, Anna (and everyone else :))

This is my first time posting here and I am certain far from my last. I've long been a fan of this site and have had great use of the dream dictionary. I only discovered last week that there was a discussion board in accidentally clicking on the link on the home page. A very fun realisation! Anyways I had this dream a few weeks ago and its full of fascinating imagery (one thing that does not emerge in the dream text is that the setting is the central area of my old school which was a central hub through which all things pass and a round well octagonal big room which put me in mind of a mandala but I could be mistaken I'm still learning what exactly these are)

**Gandalf and the Dragon-King**
Gandalf is sitting at the base of a cliff/outside of a cave wall. I had been frozen and it seems I (as Frodo) grab Gandalf’s hand and this later had the knock on effect of awaking him. Perhaps I loosen the ring from his hand or something. He awakes and he challenges the beast. The dragon of stone on top of the cliff whose place this is. He's like a super smaug he is more voldemorty though and pure evil like the dragon from Jackie chan adventures.
 Gandalf has been learning dark magic like fire casting. I guess in such testing times he is learning all he can like Dumbledore I guess. He does some fire casting. The dragon mocks him and is like ‘oh you learned that on some cave wall studying yet you are infinitely behind me’ and shoots one massive double fireball. But then to instruct at how much better he is he shoots a double at us which sends us running opposite ways the fireballs chasing each of us. I am running up and down one of my old school's corridors. The fireball follows me.  I run back and it turns and doubling back on it it turns again on me.
Gandalf is doing the same. The case is hopeless it will follow us and destroy us each fireball for each one of us. Yet at the end it was not me and Gandalf but me and Juliet that had been running opposite ways and back.
There is another scene after like an interpretation talk. It feels like the examiner is an evil woman or a female teacher. So she asks what the dream means I suggest that it's a correlation and I start explaining why and Juliet is like ‘oh yeah!’ and starts to explain it but perhaps I disagree or cut her off then the woman stops me and is like ‘she's about to explain how your ridiculously vague wrong answer is right’. It's kind of a teasing and this is all a bit light. It ends here. The feeling on awaking is a bit heavy not like fear but hmm I know I'm being tested perhaps nervous.

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Re: Gandalf and the Dragon King
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2016, 11:34:35 AM »
Jimmy – Well you are certainly being tested in old, mythological and archaic ways.

But your testing is about your understanding of the inner world where such events take place. So have you read Summing Up, which gives you a brief introduction - http://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/questions-2/#Summing

The first test that you failed by running away was to see or believe that anything can hurt you in a dream. Dreams are images and can have no effect on you except to evoke feelings. If you cannot face and overcome the feeling of fear you will have another dream testing you again.

It might be worth reading http://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/integration-meeting-oneself which describes ancient methods of meeting yourself.

Juliet is probably an image which hold real wisdom. In fact, it would be helpful is you can use http://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/acting-on-your-dream/#BeingPerson and http://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/secrets-power-dreaming/

Keep on, for you are in the midst of the great adventure.

Tony

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Re: Gandalf and the Dragon King
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2016, 07:54:03 PM »
Tony,

Thank you for your response. I am curious about what you say about failing the test. I mean I get that I failed it by running away but I do not fully understand what you mean by fearing the dream can hurt. I mean had it been a Lucid Dream I would see the mistake but in a non-lucid state surely I am not aware that I am dreaming and thus it is not the dream but life I fear can hurt me? Does the dynamic of running away not symbolise an occurrence in my  real life? Otherwise it would seem inconsistent for my non-lucid dream self to react differently to my real self in this incident. Am I missing something? Dreams can only have no effect or harm if I am aware that it is a dream surely...
In my own dreamwork I have found wisdom in the Juliet character. In fact she is a very helpful figure and I think I know what actions she wishes me to take and I endeavour to take them of course I do not always succeed but I am not perfect :)

Thanks,
Jimmy

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Re: Gandalf and the Dragon King
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2016, 09:43:44 AM »
Jimmy - I feel that a lot of statements about lucidity are not well thought out. Nobody says that remembering a dream while awake and exploring it is the greatest form of lucidity - but it is. Or that most lucid dreams reported are simply reporting other dream images, non of which have been understood.

The following is real lucidity in dreaming - but even that is the lower levels of it.

In my dream I was watching a fern grow. It was small but opened very rapidly. As I watched I became aware that the fern was an image representing a process occurring within myself, one I grew increasingly aware of as I watched. Then I was fully awake in my dream and realised that my dream, perhaps any dream, was an expression in images of actual events occurring unconsciously in myself. I felt enormous excitement, as if I were witnessing something of great importance. Francis P.

"It is not the dream but life I fear can hurt me? Does the dynamic of running away not symbolise an occurrence in my  real life?" Exactly, but you are failing to see that you inner life as shown in dreams, has completely different rules than waking life, and our inner life actually rules how we respond to outer life.

Many dreams are about or indicate fear of dying - isn't your own running away a degree of fearing death? Yet in the dream world we cannot die or be hurt, and facing death and meeting it transforms our waking feelings about dying. See - http://dreamhawk.com/inner-life/inner-world/#MakesInner  and - http://dreamhawk.com/approaches-to-being/martial-art-of-the-mind/ and http://dreamhawk.com/dream-dictionary/what-we-need-to-remember-about-us-3/#Levels

Also the conscious rational mind is not separate and isolated from our semi unconscious dream life. So you do not have to be 'lucid' in dreams to alter them. They complement each other. See http://dreamhawk.com/dream-encyclopedia/secrets-power-dreaming/

So any real realisation consciously can influence your dreams.

Tony
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