Talk about Christ

Chris: When you talk about Christ, because it is a term that has been hijacked by people, what do you mean?

Tony: What do I mean? I have defined it in various ways. I liken it to something we find in nature — for instance people have defined the human body in many different ways. Also we can go on and on discovering more and more about any aspect of nature. So I see Christ as no different to any other natural phenomena.

To me, the Christ is a process in the universe that we’ve become aware of. It is also a process in us, because we are shaped out of the forces of the nature and the universe.

One could of course ask the question as to why, recognising that human beings express love and it is a fundamental part of life, that we do not simply call it human love. I believe the point is that the love I’m talking about is far more than what we see in the relationship between a man and woman or parents and their child or between human beings in general. Much of human love is so interwoven with pain, possessiveness, anxiety, childhood needs, jealousy and fears of abandonment, that we cannot help but see the difference between this cosmic love and what we presently know in our human relationships.

Another way that I have defined the Christ is to call it the highest possibility we have in us. In other words when we meet it we recognise it as something beyond our present stage of growth; something that perhaps we can reach to or grow towards. Because, when we meet the Christ, it seems to be something far beyond ourselves, we tend to project it outwardly and to see it as something outside of and different to ourselves. We believe it to be an external being. What I said about the original being leaving seeds of itself relates to this. Our innate potential is something far beyond what we presently are expressing. This potential is often represented in some form of symbol or other, and Christ is one way we represent it. But Christ is simply a name we give to something I felt was innate in the universe. It is a name that unfortunately has become mired in a lot of dogma.

The times I have met the Christ and communicated with it (and I refrain from using the terms he or she here because I don’t think they are appropriate), I always have this paradoxical feeling that what I meet is far beyond me — yet it is also myself. Sometimes this being is felt to be so far beyond me that I simply fall down on my knees before it in awe. So in this sense we can think of any meeting with Christ as a confrontation with our own amazing possibility, our own potential. Any communication that occurs is therefore a dialogue between what we are at the moment and what we can become.

Some people have been capable of allowing that amazing potential within them to express in some measure through their everyday life. Then we see them as a holy being, or a saint.

As I explained, this sense of the Christ connects with the beginning of things, where that amazing creative death set the scene for the possibility of other beings to emerge. In Genesis the words used and put into the mouth of the Creator are, “Let us make them in our own image.” And so this potential carries with it the image of the Creator. Therefore the meeting with Christ is the meeting with the possibility that was given us in the beginning.

I believe that the human race met this potential, this Christ, very fully about 2000 years ago. But of course there are other older religions that also in some way embodied a similar principle by different names, as in India in the use of the name Krishna. See http://dreamhawk.com/inner-life/meetings-with-the-christ/

There are of course many ways of looking at Christ. Another way that I consider to be a good definition is that of calling Christ a cosmic being. By this I mean a living process that does not need a physical body to have an existence. Also I mean a being that has a much vaster existence than we humans. As far as I can understand, the Christ being has an enormous capability to exist through what we call symbiotic relationships. If it is possible for you to imagine that you had a symbiotic relationship with plants, with animals, with the earth itself, with the sun, and with the countless human beings, then you would perhaps begin to grasp what I mean by the living process of Christ existing through symbiosis.

For instance in our body we have several symbiotic relationships, and thereby we can exist as we do. We have bacteria in our gut that help us to digest our food. Within our cells we hold mitochondria which at one time had separate existence. But now through a symbiotic relationship mitochondria are included as part of our many cells.

Now, if you imagine the being of Christ can do this with anything — that its existence is totally enmeshed with all life forms and with the cosmos itself, then you have a grasp of what I see as the existence of this cosmic being. I experienced it as being completely linked with all of nature in a way that I can barely imagine. Also, just as we exist and gain our livelihood, if that is the right term, from the bacteria in our gut, and the mitochondria in our cells, then Christ also feeds on the experience gained from human lives and human knowledge. This is fairly clearly spelt out in Christianity where it says that we can become cells in the body of Christ.

This also links with the possibility of gaining eternal life through the giving of oneself to Christ. And you have to understand I am only looking at this in a technical sense and not saying that this is in any way a proven fact. But if we can begin to form the conception of Christ having a symbiotic relationship with us, and that our experience, the harvest of our life experience, is absorbed by the Christ as a form of energy or nourishment, then we can begin to see that our being may very well be digested into that huge cosmic life form and live in an extended way.

The arrival of Christ was a historical event of the greatest magnitude. The mental, emotional (prayers possibly) of humanity were received by cosmic beings beyond our ken, and Christ came (down – is that the right word) to act as guide and lifeboat for us. In this sense Christ is an extra terrestrial. The ridiculous thing is that here we are searching the heavens for signs of other life forms – all the time seeking physically – but our signals were received 2 thousand years ago, and sitting right here with us is an ET. But we are so puny minded we cannot even recognise it, or conceive of it. It has to be mechanical or technological (thus our picture of flying saucer is as some sort of mechanical contact between far distant minds) – but Christ is so advanced in actual life skills – in the real technology of the Cosmos, there is not even a need for a body.

If we can see that, then we can understand some of the descriptions of near death experiences, where a Christ-like being asks of the dying person what they have brought, what they have harvested from their life. Then they are taken through a full life review, a re-experiencing of their whole life in an evaluating way. I see this as a form of digestive process where those things that are not compatible with the more universal life of Christ are digested out. I mean this very literally, in a similar way that our being digests the food we eat and only absorbs what is compatible with its own existence. So any aspects of the personality that are destructive, poisonous, hateful, are digested out, and what is compatible becomes a living part of the body of Christ.

However, I also saw at one time that Christ is involved in a long-time caring for the potential that exists in a human being. I saw that Christ is involved in the flow of human life through the river of time, supporting and caring for our growth through millennia.

It is no wonder then that we will meet the Christ in many different ways, in many different guises, as the stories in the New Testament suggest. And here the paradox intrudes again because if Christ is also the best that we are ourselves, then we too are a cosmic being, and we will meet ourselves in many different ways, in many different guises, and in many different periods of time.

An actual experience of meeting the Christ

Throughout all this I sensed, met, saw, the being of the Christ, the statue of Christ of the Andes expresses so well what I experienced. Christ is a huge being, anchored into the consciousness of humanity like a lifeboat or light boat anchored in rough seas – steady, forever there, a haven. Amidst the constant flux and turmoil of cosmic energies, that are like an infinite sea, Christ is steady, a lifeboat for humanity if they need it. Christ is a being who has developed the symbiotic bonds that mesh cells, animal species, and planets together, to a point we cannot yet understand. Christ is a heavenly being in not having a physical form, but is energy and consciousness, meshed with life forms and cosmic forces. Christ is a huge cosmic organism, just as we are a fairly large physically, a  birth organism, and is made up of billions of cells.

The arrival of Christ was a historical event of the greatest magnitude. The mental, emotional (prayers possibly) of humanity were received by cosmic beings beyond our ken, and Christ came (down – is that the right word) to act as guide and lifeboat for us. In this sense Christ is an extra terrestrial. The ridiculous thing is that here we are searching the heavens for signs of other life forms – all the time seeking physically – but our signals were received two thousand years ago, and sitting right here with us is an ET. But we are so puny minded we cannot even recognise it, or conceive of it. It has to be mechanical or technological (thus our pictures of flying saucer is as some sort of mechanical contact between far distant minds) – but Christ is so advanced in actual life skills – in the real technology of the Cosmos, there is not even a need for a physical body.

Christ is a being of total selflessness. Like someone dead to themselves and yet alive, with their whole self looking beyond – somewhere we – I – cannot conceive of, perhaps beyond our dimension. This is perhaps what is meant by saying, he died to save us, meaning that death of self is what makes Christ a saviour.

I sensed that when the Christ entered the area of human history and consciousness, it was registered by a number of people, and given expression in various ways – but the Roman Catholic Church cornered the market so to speak. Christ is like the sun. No one can own it, although different individuals or groups can relate to it or use it in various ways. So a group might fence off a beach and charge people to go in on Sunday. So the church fenced off the phenomena of Christ.

Christ exists through an immense symbiotic relationship with us and the world. Christ offers humanity eternal life in its being. As Christ is selfless, this means humans are taken into the organism but maintain their identity.

Human beings can, of course, create their own family, clan, group, symbiotic relationship links at a consciousness, life, functional level. In this way, individuals who, by themselves are not very whole or capable, in the group, create a wholeness that survives physically as well as spiritually. Christ, being selfless, in no way attempts to block our private enterprise. Like the Big Fishermen on the cosmic sea, Christ is there as an island of refuge for these small craft if they need it. The whole earth could be destroyed, but the essence of humanity would be saved in Christ.

What happened with the church however, was that it began to put itself and its rules, its regulations, as the only way to eternal life. It led individuals to rely on it, instead of each other as the means to eternal existence. So it became a sort of huge insurance company that nowadays is largely non functional in society. Non functional because it isn’t leading humans into communal self giving. Many of its cells are dead in a spiritual sense – and not performing any real function.

I saw again that the parable of the loaves and fishes means that if common humanity share themselves, they have a power that can change the earth. I had an insight into how governments and corporations uses power of dynamic symbiotic bonding by forming agreements and allegiances with other groups, and other nations. But these international agreements, while giving enhanced power and survival, are not based on mutual respect or trust. The basic trust is – do I trust you with my eternal soul? Do I trust you with my life? Will you care for me as an infant? Willie create a caring environment? If not, then there can be no trust, only adult, business type, agreements. In these huge organisms, there is no selflessness such as is found in Christ. So what happens is that those who agree with the organism of the party or corporation, survive and have enhanced power and opportunity socially – but those outside of it are pressured, manipulated or even destroyed.

I saw the tremendous need for humanity to form allegiances based on goodwill, and take over from these giant organisms/companies that are creating war and misery in the earth. What I do not see yet is just where to make a start. But I recognise the need for transcendence of national, religious and racial boundaries, the need for self giving to create a new humanity. I see how much we need to see the holiness of motherhood – to form a loving environment for our babies, and a sense of eternity and a welcome back to our aged/dead.

See: Near Death Experiences Journal.